Before I even get into this review, I’d like to give a special thanks to Darryl for pretty much doing all the writing. Kudos & three cheers for Darryl. Next we meet in Russia, the first round is on me!
The reason for this post is a response to this inquiry I received via email from Mark:
And I also received this email from Guy; I’ve truncated the message because it is a bit long. But, as you read Guy’s message, and my reply, try to realize the trap that he has fallen into. I get many many many emails each week that are similar and it seems to me that this industry just preys on the ignorance of Western Men who have never been to Russia or Ukraine.
I Have been writing to women on uadreams.com agency. They have video chats with the girl, and arrange tours to see the women you choose, providing they want to meet with you.
Have you heard of this agency? I’ve been corresponding with different women over 3 years, but still unsure what to do. This is a real concern to me. Times are changing, there are so many women and so few quality men. I have had letters from over 3000 women, some of which I know are serious. also the agency interviews them for cammers before they join.
You don’t know who to believe anymore,
Tell me what you think.
First, my congratulations to Guy for thinking outside the box and looking overseas. But, I really don’t think that he has a realistic understanding of this industry. He has been corresponding with women for 3 years? I can’t help but wonder if writing to women is just a hobby for him? I can’t imagine any woman who is looking for a husband to be willing to have a pen-friend for 3 years. I’ve mentioned in other posts, if you are corresponding with a woman and she isn’t asking you when you are coming to visit, this is a sure sign of a scammer.
Scammers don’t want you to EVER come and visit. Because if you do, the gig is up and you’ll discover the scam. If you correspond for 6 months, they get PAID for 6 months. I would think that as early as 2 or 3 weeks into chatting with a woman, no later than 6-8 weeks, she should be asking you if you have plans to come and meet. Until you meet a woman face to face, YOU HAVE NOTHING. It is easy to be in chat-mode with a woman. Where the rubber meets the road is in the first 5 minutes when you first meet. Sure, it is scary. Maybe she won’t like you. But for heaven’s sake, don’t fall into the “virtual-dating” world that Guy is in. It is a waste of time and money. Unless you like the idea of a man or a secretary sending you some model’s photos and pretending to be them.
I sent a reply similar to this to Guy and told him that I would write up a review of UADreams.com on this blog. His reply was much akin to the Stockholm Syndrome when he replied:
[When you write your review ofUADreams] don’t demean UA Dreams agency. I have been treated very fairly by them.
Guy, how do you know you’ve been treated fairly by this agency? You’ve never met any of the women. For all you know, Ivan at this agency has been writing to you for 3 years and he smiles every time your credit card transaction is approved again. I’ve received some hate mail from men-readers of this site about my post “No Game Whatsoever.” Yes, it was perhaps a cruel post. But, it probably has saved some men making the trip and blowing five or ten thousand dollars on women who have no interest in them.
Seriously Men, think about it. Expect that the dating process with an Eastern European Woman will be no different than if you meet on eHarmony or Match. You exchange a few emails, see if you have anything in common and then you meet. If you have chemistry, you date. If dating goes well, you make plans. Writing to women for months and months is silly.
Guy also comments that this website can be trusted because they “screen for scammers.” Uh, Guy, what if the website IS the scam?
I believe that any dating agency that “screens” your ability to contact the woman directly to be an outright fraud. You should NEVER pay money to chat with a woman if you can’t talk to her outside of the supervision of the dating agency. Put simply, if you can’t send her a message and ask for her phone number or email address (it is blocked by the agency) then it is a scam. An honest agency wants you to communicate with the woman – through their email system or outside of it. A scam agency (wherein you aren’t really talking with the woman) will never give you the woman’s contact info. BECAUSE YOU AREN’T REALLY TALKING TO THE WOMAN. Agencies that charge by the letter – a ‘translation’ fee – is a sure sign of a scam.
Elena’s Models lets you email the woman directly and encourages you to use free translation services like Google Translate if the woman doesn’t speak English. No other agency (that I know of) does this – and this is why Elena’s (so far) is the only agency that I have recommended. If and when I learn of other agencies that do the same, I will also recommend them. But so far, Elena’s is the only game in town (that I know of).
All of my advice (above) is in regards to agencies that only offer online profiles and contact information. Other categories of agencies are those that do “romance tours” and those that facilitate meetings (matchmakers). I also believe the romance tour websites to be a waste of time. I met hundreds (no exaggeration – each week, 100 or more men came in for these meetings and everyone knew me as the “go to guy” for advice as I’ve already tried most of this) of men and they ALL had the same replies about the romance tours – COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.
As for the other category, the “matchmaker” agency, the jury is out (at least in my own mind) about this type of agency. Seth is working with one agency and I’m curiously waiting to see how his visit(s) go. If he reports back that the agency did right by him, we will probably add them to the “approved list.” I’m sure he will be writing about his experiences with them as his trip nears.
My first thought off the top of my head is that matchmaking agencies are quite a bit more expensive than a subscription to Elena’s. The downside is the $ spent, the upside is that you have someone showing you the ropes. And if the agency folks are legitimate and care about your success, this may be just what works for some men.
Whether or not the DIY (do it yourself) method works best for you or not – only you can decide. I can see how dropping a couple of thousands of dollars on a matchmaker could save you in the long run if an outside adviser can help you see past some of the emotions that you may face in meeting a beautiful Eastern European Woman. I’ve met Western Men in Eastern Europe (with their EE girlfriend in tow) and they are ear to ear grins, so proud of their woman and the woman’s body language says, “I hate this guy, I’m here for the money.” Maybe then, a matchmaker can smack you in the side of the head and let you know your barking up the wrong tree.
Worst case scenario, you have a paid guide and subsequent visits to the East will be a lot easier. One could always go again, on their own guidance and try the DIY method.
Let’s get to our review (Darryl’s review):
Darryl points out in his first comment that UADreams charges $6.99 per page of translation. I can say that this is going to be VERY EXPENSIVE. Alana and I email and text each other dozens of times each day. I can’t imagine having to pay every time we pass messages. I might have to drop $100 a day – that would be $3,000 a month or $36,000 a year. Geez, you might as well just fly to Kiev, rent the penthouse suite and put an advert in the local newspaper saying, “Rich American Man wants to meet beautiful and charming Ukrainian lady for marriage.” No joke, you would probably have better results and it would cost less!
Darryl signed up to UADreams, sent messages to some ladies and he had a 100% response rate. Darryl admits he’s not Brad Pitt & he was even surprised at the high response rate. I consider myself “average looking,” with a semi-athletic build. I do crossfit.com exercises and I like to think that I’m in good physical shape. Of all of the women that I emailed at Elena’s, 50% refused my email saying, “Not interested.” Of the 50% that replied, 1/2 didn’t send a second email. Of the 25% that did, half of those didn’t send a second email. I was contacted by many women who were, how can I say this delicately, not the most beautiful or thin women on the site. You see what I’m saying? If you sign up to a website, post no photo and say that you’re blind, poor and in a wheelchair and you get a 100% response rate, well, it’s just a scam.
If you are so seduced by the photos of the women on UADreams, you can video chat with them for ONLY $80 per hour. Geez, that’s a lot of money!
As I’m writing this review, and looking at the UADreams website, I see that EVERY photo posted is taken by a professional photographer. This is a sure sign that many of these pics are purchased from modeling agencies. Have a look at Elena’s website and notice that many of the pics are taken by the woman or one of her friends. Most of the photos look like a pic you would have a friend take of you, not an airbrushed-professionally taken magazine photo:
On a positive note, UADreams does have an interesting gallery of “success stories” of couples that were married. I have no way of verifying if these are legitimate or not, but just know this, those men paid a LOT of money to screen through dozens, perhaps hundreds of women before they found their dream. Maybe its just me, but I really don’t like the idea of some agency bureaucrat choosing whether or not I can communicate with a woman without their say-so.
Darryl also points out UADream’s ‘gift shop’ sells Tulips for $198. A hundred and ninety eight bucks for Tulips? I can get them at the grocery store for $15!!! It isn’t hard to see that this site is preying on men’s wallets. They also offer perfume for $258, a “festival cake” for $82.50, biscuits for $45, and a small box of chocolates for $69..
Men, don’t ever mail ANYTHING to a woman you haven’t met. She isn’t expecting it. If you act weak in front of a Slavic Woman, she will not respect you. Sending her $258 perfume screams loudly, “I’m a chump and you can walk on me.” Certainly, UADreams cares more about their profits than your success. I don’t ever want to do business with anyone who is out to screw me.
Darryl also shares that UADreams upcharges you to post a profile pic – what kind of dating service charges you to post your photo? Instead of a small thumbnail pic, if you want a “regular” sized profile pic you have to pay $7. And when you write to a woman (already $7 per page for translation) you have to add another $7 to include your photo. $14 per email, wow. And when you realize that women at this agency write to you without a photo, what’s the point? To add “decoration” to your email, add another $7, for a total or $21 per email. Unbelievable!
They are masters of squeezing money out of you, no matter what you do you have to pay huge. Who could think of all these charges and angles to make a guy pay? Well apparently they have, I have found a 100 more things but it would take a book to write it all, bottom line it is one huge money pit, plus most of the girls have low to zero English skills, which means yet another charge of $6.99 per email to get it translated each way, which means that one message I described above now is gonna cost you $28.00 [Per message, then they charge you another $6.99 to get the ladies response translated back to you. So now we are at $35.00 for that one message and her reply back to you translated back to your native tongue.
$6.99 + $6.99 + $6.99 + $6.99 + $6.99 = $35.00 per email…
So as you can see there is a never ending list of charges and fee’s till they milk you completely dry.
Guess what? They also do tours too and personal introductions as well, but that has a whole new list of fee’s that would take me some time to all write down, but unless you are worth millions and millions, I would stay away. Far far away…
And he adds:
I found this online about that uadreams
I have girls trying to write these long letters to me even though I have no pic and only put a few words in my bio, yet 22 year old girls are writing to me with one page letters and I put my age at 50 even though I am 39….
But if I want to respond I have to pay big :-)
This site is a joke.
In looking at their frequently asked questions page, I notice the following BS:
“What do Ukrainian women think of interracial marriages?” UADreams says this is no problem, all Ukrainian women are open minded and don’t mind mixed-race marriages. This is a straight lie. Eastern European Women have racial biases just as women in any other country have. Some are open to the idea, some are not.
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First meeting is to be held in one of our offices in the Ukraine. We follow antiscam program and don’t allow our customers to exchange personal information (emails, addresses, tel. numbers) before a personal meeting. We do it for the security of both parties concerned.
So, to “protect you” from a possible scam, this agency won’t give you any of the woman’s contact info? Yes, you are a 13 year old and need their supervision. How insulting.
I hope this review is of use to anyone considering using this site. Remember to think with your big head, keep a close watch on your wallet and be wise. Romance causes men to act in ways that are unusual and illogical (ask any deer hunter and he can tell you how wise bucks lose their minds during the rut).