Saturday Satire: Do you see the difference?

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Happy New Year 2016

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I don’t really need to say much, this photo speaks for itself. I saw it on an online Russian chat forum. As I walk around the Mid-West United States, I really have to search my memory to remember what Ukrainian and Spanish Women look like. Looking at this cartoon sparks some memories.

For those of you who haven’t visited Eastern Europe, you really owe it to yourself to have a visit. For those who’ve never left your own country, what are you waiting for?

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Happy New Year 2016

68 thoughts on “Saturday Satire: Do you see the difference?

  1. I’ve left the hell hole called Canada 7+ years ago, went to Russia and later Ukraine, married a local female and never looked back or regretted my decision for 1 second.
    Every self respecting male individual in the West should get educated, learn a trade and a foreign language, get sporty, save some money and leave the West behind for good. You ain’t gonna accomplish nothing with your eternal suffering in the west and endless complains online. Man up, grow a pair, and get the hell out of North America or wherever you happen to be living at this particular moment.
    You’ll never regret this best decision of your life!

    • For some guys, because of work and what not, they’re stuck in the West – best thing to do is import an Eastern Wife. Sure beats the hell of American women.

      • Strongly and TOTALLY disagree with what’s written above by Scott. TOTALLY!!
        Yes, it’s theoretically possible to win a Jackpot in a US State lottery, but chances are slim to none.
        Same goes about importing a wife TO America/Canada. Yes, one might hit a jackpot and get lucky, BUT 99.9% of Eastern European females turn into North American bitches in a span of 6 months to max 1 year.
        It’s in a female nature to listen and succumb to mainstream propaganda, chit chat from her new female American friends, glitz and glamour of all the newspapers and fashion magazines etc etc etc.
        The ONLY way for an American male is to move over to Eastern Europe permanently!
        I’d like to reiterate again that YES, it’s possible to hit a jackpot but those “wins” are VERY few and far between.

        • Sorry for disagreeing, Scott;) But I’m that kind of a person who always tells what he thinks;)
          I ain’t denying that you may be correct in YOUR particular case but I do know way too many negative examples originating from Canada…

        • Sorry, but you’re just flat wrong. My Wife has been here for a while and hasn’t “flipped” to the dark side and no doubt she never will. She is already propagandizing our daughter against feminism.

          Its all about the Woman. If her favorite show is sex and the city, leave her in Ukraine. Pick a Woman with strong parents who taught her well and expect her to raise your kids traditionally.

          I have a bunch of Mennonite buddies that I hunt with. They don’t have any problems with their Wives.

          Here’s a hint: turn off the TV.

          • I have to admit…I’m a little envious of that community…very traditional women that dress very conservative but are extremely attractive and beautiful. Their raw beauty and charm puts a lot of NYC and LA girls to shame. It’s like your getting a glimpse of the past (feminine character) that died a long time ago in the US.

          • Scott, I certainly appreciate your opinion about “importing” an Eastern European wife TO North America, BUT… I’ve seen way too many negative examples of a “normal female turning into a North American bitch” in Canada. This importing trend was very popular in Canada in late 90s and early 2000s, hundreds of desperate and sex hungry males went this route and an overwhelming majority of them have been left disappointed and broken short thereafter. YES, there ARE exceptions to the rule (like the case with your wife) but these exceptions only further confirm and strengthen the rule itself.
            It’s impossible to live in a society and at the same time avoid the society these days. It’s impossible to avoid the impact of a TV propaganda, glitz magazines about luxury life, chit chat with newly acquired female friends etc. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

          • I think that you’re confusing two different groups of Eastern ladies.

            Group 1: want a Green Card and don’t care who they marry. Most of these women are infatuated with the whole “Sex and the City” Culture and are willing to marry an old man to get a visa. If you marry this kind of woman and bring her over, what difference does it matter if she becomes a feminist or stays traditional? She’s going off with her sports trainer anyways.

            Group 2: A traditional Russian Woman who wants to marry for love and create a family. She is interested in a strong husband and wants her daughters to wear dresses and to be “traditional ladies.” This Woman will stay with you and doesn’t want to be a feminist.

            I’ve met MANY of the first group and MANY of the second. Of the first group, many are divorced.

            Of the second group, of maybe 20 guys I know, all are happily married and 90% have a kid and maybe 50-60% have two kids.

            It is not impossible to avoid the impact of TV progaganda if you don’t have a TV.

            We watch NO TV at home save for football Sunday, downloaded TV shows (90 Day Fiance & True Detective) and when my Wife goes shopping I sneak in an episode of Judge Judy.

            If there was a crack dispensing machine in your house, would you unplug it?

            Unplug the damn TV.

          • By the way, the Amish have almost NO incidents of Autism and don’t have TV sets.

            Coincidence?

            I think not.

          • Scott, I kinda fail to understand why you are so fixed on TV;)
            TV ain’t got nothing to do with the makeover of eastern European females in North America.
            Let’s track an average path of an average Eastern European female after her arrival to USA/Canada as a wife of an American/Canadian citizen.
            1. Right of the bat after her arrival she’s being greeted by all those signs of luxury, glitz and glamour one can initially see at any major international airport, she sees all those smiling males with sexy and stylish females on all those advertising boards. It’s all about money and status right there.

            2. In a month or so she’ll get herself some Russian speaking female friends who’ll introduce her to the reality of life in America where every female is dreaming about selling herself to the highest male bidder on a dating market and where female pussy has a value of gold in a crowd of desperate and sex hungry males.

            3. In another month she’ll start noticing all those luxury cars driven around by those wealthy males with status in the society and will start thinking about having an affair.

            4. And in another month or two she’ll put up a secret dating profile looking for an affair outside of her marriage.

            You see, Scott, I’ve never even mentioned TV in my story! An Eastern European female ain’t even able to understand anything on American/Canadian TV when she arrives to America, BUT she’s more than able to understand her newly acquired female friends and their ideas as well as analyze her visual experiences. ;)

          • Not sure who you’re married to but that doesn’t fit my Wife’s description at all.

            She loves fashion and a nice car but that’s not her main focus in life.

            As for TV, you brought it up, you said that it was a big influence in our society.

            This may be a foreign concept for American Men, but if you lay down the law in your household. an American woman will balk, a Russian Woman will obey you. Tell her not to associate with any women you find objectionable, she won’t.

            Any Man who brings a Wife over from Russia and treats her like an American wife, well, you’ll get an American wife. Treat her like a Russian Wife, as she expects to be treated, and she will act like a Russian Wife, American society and influence or not.

          • BTW, if your woman would stoop to #4 in your comment, she will do the same in Columbia, Ukraine or Thailand. Choose the Woman, choose her family, choose her morals and choose her actions. My Wife and I could move to Sodom and Gomorrah and she won’t change.

            Rodney and his Wife live in German, certainly no sanctuary from feminism. Rodney, your Wife turn into an instant German overnight?

          • Scott, thanks for your thoughts.
            I ain’t trying to compare my wife with your wife or with any other female.
            My wife ain’t like the females I’ve mentioned in my description above.
            She’s an average Ukrainian fitness instructor, dresses properly and doesn’t mind a nice car or other good things in life.
            But like in the case with your wife dresses and cars ain’t a top priority in her life. Family and our kids are.
            TV does have a huge influence in any society but one has to be able to UNDERSTAND what he/she is being told. And it takes a while for an Eastern European female to be able to understand spoken English on TV. American TV ain’t like a lesson at an eastern European school where the teacher only knows that “London is a capital of Great Britain!” ;)

            We do not have an “obey” rule in our family, we are equal and always find a mutual decision/solution which ain’t hard since we think and act alike.
            I do agree that if a male treats an eastern European female as an American wife, then she sure will become an American wife.
            The problem is that if a male treats her like a Russian wife then she’ll listen to all her female friends and start looking for someone who’ll treat her like an American ;) I’ve seen way too many examples of this happening in Toronto.
            No, my wife won’t change her behavior nor fall for #4 on my list.
            Remember, we are still talking about exceptions to the general rule which unfortunately ain’t in male’s favor.
            I still insist that an overwhelming majority of eastern European females will change sooner or later if taken to America/Canada by their husbands. Thus the best solution for a male is to move and settle overseas instead.

        • I don’t disagree with you, but it seems like it would be difficult for most men to just back up and move to Ukraine or Poland. What sort of jobs are available to westerners in those countries? It can take years to learn a foreign language.. So if you invest all this time in learning a foreign language and bank on being able to land a job in EE, you could end up with a huge bust..

          • And WHY would it be difficult for North American males just to pack up and move to Eastern Europe?
            They can teach English here, ain’t they native speakers after all?
            How about obtaining a TEFL or CELTA/DELTA certificate and moving to Eastern Europe? Yeah right, it takes some time and a bit of money, but is definitely worth it.
            Yes, it does take years to master a foreign language UP TO the level of locals, BUT you don’t need that level to start things off! You have to able to understand locals a bit and to express yourself. And if you make a mistake or two or even 22, fine, just make the effort!!
            You seem to have a weird concept about life and work in Eastern Europe. It ain’t that hard or complicated! Do not look for excuses, look for solutions and opportunities.

        • Without wanting to take sides in this debate, the statistics tend to back up Scott’s point on foreign brides:

          http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

          While i don’t agree with some of the articles on that website, the main premise of this particular article needs to be pointed out to ALL Western males: 20% divorce rate for marriages to mail-order brides. That’s MAIL-ORDER brides, not women that these Western men met overseas and built a relationship before marriage.

          Doesn’t that say it all? You’re statistically better off marrying a traditional woman that you’ve never met!! It’s also quite difficult to find statistics in this area. I wonder why? ;)

          That said, I’d be inclined to follow Former Canadian’s advice, and live in her country if possible. As she’d be surrounded by her support networks (family and friends) she’s less likely to stray and become Westernised.

          Just updating my position: I’ve been to China for 2 weeks and had an absolutely brilliant time, meeting two great women as a bonus. One of them has potential, but only time will tell. Just wanted to add this, as China isn’t often mentioned here, but many Chinese women are very traditional, feminine and nurturing, and also like older men. The girl i like is 26, but infinitely more mature than Western women of the same age. I’m 43, yet there was absolutely no generation gap or awkwardness. Mind you, i look closer to 30 so that helps.

          I’d definitely recommend China as an option for some guys here.

          • I can corroborate re: Chinese ladies. I don’t mean Chinese-American ladies, who are somewhat different, depending on how long they’ve been in the US. I mean Chinese ladies who came to the US on a student visa. I met many of them in grad school. Yes, they have many very feminine qualities, and they tend to be very sweet, polite, and nurturing — a welcome respite from the tattooed, rude, urban-princess feminists. And, yes, they are, relative to American women their age, more mature. All good things.

            Not good or bad in itself, but something to be aware of: They tend to be more complex than American women. Their thoughts go deeper, they can think very quickly, and there is less that is straightforward about them. I sometimes felt like I were in a whole ocean while with them, and my feet couldn’t touch the bottom. Those ladies can be deep.

            On the whole, they’re not bad women at all, at least the ones I knew.

          • Hi Gezza ,

            Just asking.Were you there for work , or was it just some holiday??
            Can you say , in what city , you stayed??

            From my personal experiences.There are differences , when it comes , to visiting , big cities.
            Places , where many tourist and foreigners , come.

            Women from these areas , tend to be more (or a little bit) Westernized , compared , to those from small villages or small cities.

            And , there are differences , when meeting women , from the country side.

            That said , my personal believe is , for the most part , women in China , are still very traditional.
            It`s part , of the way , that they were raised , and in what family clan (if you can call it like that) ,they belonged to.

            From an early age , they learn to respect the older people , and to listen and take note , what the elderly tell them.

            But , also in these communities , time has not stand still.And , things are changing.
            Many of the young adults , now , move to the big cities , to make a better living , or to seek for more success.

            Also , don`t forget , that there are far more men in China , than women.
            The other important issue , which is in their tradition , is that they don`t want to loose face.

            Finding a life partner , can be a challenge in itself.Are ther enough men , available , in the community , where she lives.
            If , so , is there a suitable one , between them ??

            Is it someone , that her family will like and approve ?

            Chinese women , are also very romantic.But unless , she is very sure , about you , she will not let you know.
            Or will not be too open with you.

            Dating Chinese women , you will have to show , the same characteristics , as with EE women.

            If she really likes you , and she is sure about you , you will notice this.But , here it is the same , as with EE women.

            Her family`s opinion , will weigh very hard , on her.
            When her family , will not approve or will not like you , it will be really hard , for her , to maintain the relation (or to even consider marriage).

            And , she will not tell them , about you , until she is very sure , of your real intentions.

            Paul

          • What I’m initially trying to point out here is the fact that many females who are brought into North America as a wife or fiancée turn into a North American female within the span of 6 months to 1 year.
            Not all, but way too many.
            It’s impossible to limit or eliminate the impact of the mainstream media, local female friends, glitz and glamour magazines and other politically correct shit.
            A female ain’t gonna live in the vacuum with no contacts with the surrounding world thus a huge risk of a rapid transformation into a North American princess.

          • Good Luck Gezza!

            To your comment…
            — —
            Doesn’t that say it all? You’re statistically better off marrying a traditional woman that you’ve never met!! It’s also quite difficult to find statistics in this area. I wonder why? ;)
            — —
            …guess that would bloody rhinoceros head in the middle of the room at the party. Acknowledging it’s presence would kill their buzz.

    • You said learn a trade.like a craftsman? How would you make a living in the ukraine or russia? Dont they make little money there?

      • Nope. Learn a trade means learn how to teach ESL, become a Fitness Instructor, improve your “primary” skills.
        Life ain’t easy in Ukraine and I’d honestly recommend going to Russia these days. Our family is planning to leave Ukraine pretty soon too.

      • Hey Scott,

        Responding to your question about my wife now living in Germany. Yes, Germany is big time westernized. In fact, where we live near the American base, its like little America. German ladies have changed drastically since I was stationed here 30 years ago. They’ve become greatly overweight, tattoos, ratty clothes. Just a shame, because they can be very beautiful.

        My wife does not make friends with anyone. She’s met the wives of my colleagues and although she accepts their mobile numbers, she has never got on the phone to gab. I nipped all of that early on, saying if she became westernized (materialistic, wildly independent, ratty clothes), we were going back to Ukraine. It wasn’t a threat, I was serious. Since then, she has taken a step back and can now see how westernized ladies can try and influence her, but she completely avoids them, except in social situations. She spends a couple of hours a day talking to her mom and family on skype and she’s more than happy.

        • Hey Rodney, FormerCanadian, and Scott!

          Those are some very interesting points and options to consider; each with their own benefits and risks. I only know personally of a few western husband/foreign wife pairings that have not worked in the US. I know for sure that two involved the husbands treating their traditional foreign wives like American wives. Why? Most of the couples are still happily married with children after 10 plus years.

        • Men, take note. It isn’t being a dick or a misogynist, it is about being the leader of your family. No one would look sideways at this 50 years ago and those of us that have signed off Western women shouldn’t either.

          • DAMN RIGHT!!!! THIS perfectly sums up our long discussion:
            “it is about being the leader of your family.” SPOT ON!!!
            Western males have no idea what it really means to be a leader, to have an own opinion, to dare to stand up and be counted and to lead by example.
            Western males these days are pussfied creatures who act like and even resemble robots, androids and slaves who are ready and willing to obey every order they are given and to follow every instruction coming from their Master be it a female or a state/mainstream media.
            I keep saying and would like to reiterate this again-western males are the ones to blame for the current state of things in dating! Males have allowed women to take control, to change legislation, to introduce new laws and regulations which impact male’s living and marriage conditions.
            Any male who dares to differ for the rest of sheeple around him is immediately labeled a loser and an enemy of State in the western world.
            And I still say to any normal western male-if YOU want to live a normal life, then pack your bags and GET OUT of North America. You’ll never regret this nor will you ever look back!

          • I guess this is where we agree – if you are a Man of 50 years ago, a Woman with the values of 50 years ago will respect you no matter where you live. Sure, a Russian Woman might go feminazi on you, but if you’re an “easy” target, she will for sure.

          • So true, Scott, so true…
            Modern males are easy targets indeed. Me and wife use to browse Canadian dating female profiles for fun’s sake and laugh at a laundry list of demands coming from a Canadian female! ANY female, big or small, fat or thin, educated or not. They all want to rule, to govern, to control the male they would like to be with and totally expect a male to obey every order he’s given!!
            Modern males are pussies, pussified creatures with absolutely NO self esteem or desire to lead by example and to stand up and be counted!!!
            ANY female can theoretically go feminazi on any male, but it’s male’s responsibility to make a family work the way it’s supposed to work without succumbing to the mainstream propaganda and female pressure!

    • I always tell what I mean, no head games, double standards or hypocrisy.
      Do you want to know my opinion on something special?
      Go ahead and ask, I’ll give you a prompt and detailed reply.

      • “it’s male’s responsibility to make a family work the way it’s supposed to work without succumbing to the mainstream propaganda and female pressure!”

        This. Times a thousand. If there were ever a time for men to lead with unshakable resolve and unclouded vision, this is it.

        When the man fails at his position of head-of-household (HH), the role defaults to the woman. Few women actually want to be HH, but if the man doesn’t stand up to her and keep her within reasonable guidelines, she is HH by default. When the woman finds herself in that role, she becomes vicious, perhaps even unfaithful, and the whole family suffers for it.

        When there are family problems, one looks first at the man to see where he might have failed as HH. As HH, he may be called upon to give up many things — his time, his attention, his money, etc. — but one thing he can never give up is ultimate responsibility for his household. He is the leader. The woman merely assists and supports.

        • Thanks for your support and understanding;)
          I always say what I mean!
          Modern males severely lack the ability to lead by example, to have an own opinion, to stand up and be counted and prefer to go with the flow accepting the mainstream ideas and propaganda in anything.
          The roles have changed dramatically and men in fact prefer when a woman leads the family which was totally unthinkable mere 30 years ago.

          • Rock on, FC! You’re right: Most modern males will eat up nearly anything and everything in the mainstream. They don’t have the clarity and strength of mind to stand against it in any serious way, much less extract themselves from it. They are easily bent to the will of think-tanks, policy-makers, the mainstream media, and conventional “wisdom.” Mainstream culture in the West preys on the unthinking man, sucks the vitality out him, casts him aside when he’s a shriveled bag of skin, yet still these men follow, lemming-like, hapless, dreaming of a better life, perhaps, but never actually bringing it to fruition.

            I’m glad to know that there are still men in the world, such as you, Scott, and others, who are real men. You had the strength to free your mind from the feminist Matrix and the balls to take massive action on your convictions. I salute you.

          • Thanks again, Mac!

            I simply live my life the way I want it and the way me and my wife want it together which is beneficial for us, our family and our kids.
            Modern males resemble pussified sheeple who ain’t got no self esteem and behave like robots and slaves or puppets ready and willing to obey every order they are given by their Master be it a State or a female.
            Let’s check the Life Matrix/Pattern of an average Canadian working able bodied male:
            1. Monday morning to Friday afternoon: get up at 6 am, cook a tasteless breakfast, eat it half asleep, hop in the car, spend 2 hours in traffic jams in and around Toronto, come to work already exhausted, suffer through the work day counting minutes until the end of yet another meaningless “day at the office”, hop in the car again and spend another 2 hours in all kinds of traffic jams on the way home, arrive home around 8 pm, cook another tasteless meal, turn on the TV, watch a hockey game with beer and chips/wings/pizza, browse some internet porn later on in the evening, jerk off to some hot scene, take a shower and go to bed.
            2. Friday evening to Sunday evening:
            Get ready and all polished for a “night out with the boys” desperately hopping all the neighborhood bars/watering holes in a vain search for ANY female for a one night stand, get drunk, fail miserably in all the attempts to find a female, come home at 5am and go to bed, sleep till 3 pm the next day, wake up with a hangover, call some buddies and discuss the visit to the night club in the entertainment district downtown Toronto, go there at 10 pm, wait for an hour in the line up by the club door, get in, get drunk again and again fail miserably in all interactions with girls in the club, come home at 5 am again, sleep until 3 pm, wake up and go to the nearest supermarket for the weekend grocery shopping, come home and go to bed early. Some Saturday nights a visit to the night club can be replaced with a Hockey Night in Canada lasting from 6 pm till 1 am the next day.
            And then the cycle repeats starting Monday!
            Is this LIFE? NO WAY!
            But is this the life mainstream media want Canadian/American males to believe IS RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY!!!
            The State wants western males to behave like pussies, like soulless robots, like slaves of the system of western values and priorities!
            I’ve left Canada almost 8 years ago now and never regretted my decision for 1 second.
            I wish EVERY American/Canadian male could have a chance to spend 3 months in Russia, Ukraine or Belarus to experience another universe in terms of male/female interactions and r

          • Thanks again, Mac!

            I simply live my life the way I want it and the way me and my wife want it together which is beneficial for us, our family and our kids.
            Modern males resemble pussified sheeple who ain’t got no self esteem and behave like robots and slaves or puppets ready and willing to obey every order they are given by their Master be it a State or a female.
            Let’s check the Life Matrix/Pattern of an average Canadian working able bodied male:
            1. Monday morning to Friday afternoon: get up at 6 am, cook a tasteless breakfast, eat it half asleep, hop in the car, spend 2 hours in traffic jams in and around Toronto, come to work already exhausted, suffer through the work day counting minutes until the end of yet another meaningless “day at the office”, hop in the car again and spend another 2 hours in all kinds of traffic jams on the way home, arrive home around 8 pm, cook another tasteless meal, turn on the TV, watch a hockey game with beer and chips/wings/pizza, browse some internet porn later on in the evening, jerk off to some hot scene, take a shower and go to bed.
            2. Friday evening to Sunday evening:
            Get ready and all polished for a “night out with the boys” desperately hopping all the neighborhood bars/watering holes in a vain search for ANY female for a one night stand, get drunk, fail miserably in all the attempts to find a female, come home at 5am and go to bed, sleep till 3 pm the next day, wake up with a hangover, call some buddies and discuss the visit to the night club in the entertainment district downtown Toronto, go there at 10 pm, wait for an hour in the line up by the club door, get in, get drunk again and again fail miserably in all interactions with girls in the club, come home at 5 am again, sleep until 3 pm, wake up and go to the nearest supermarket for the weekend grocery shopping, come home and go to bed early. Some Saturday nights a visit to the night club can be replaced with a Hockey Night in Canada lasting from 6 pm till 1 am the next day.
            And then the cycle repeats starting Monday!
            Is this LIFE? NO WAY!
            But is this the life mainstream media want Canadian/American males to believe IS RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY!!!
            The State wants western males to behave like pussies, like soulless robots, like slaves of the system of western values and priorities!
            I’ve left Canada almost 8 years ago now and never regretted my decision for 1 second.
            I wish EVERY American/Canadian male could have a chance to spend 3 months in Russia, Ukraine or Belarus to experience another universe in terms of male/female interactions and relationships!!

          • Absolutely TRUE!! Just imagine a family with 2 leaders or with 2 followers;) It ain’t gonna work at all.
            One has to lead and another has to follow while contributing with positive thoughts, ideas and personal support.
            A strong and evolving family is a LIFE LONG work in progress r

          • Absolutely TRUE!! Just imagine a family with 2 leaders or with 2 followers;) It ain’t gonna work at all.
            One has to lead and another has to follow while contributing with positive thoughts, ideas and personal support.
            A strong and evolving family is a LIFE LONG work in progress requiring a JOINT effort from both male and female! It takes TWO to build a family and definitely not 1 or even 1.5!!
            Unfortunately this is totally beyond comprehension for all North American females since they totally EXPECT a male to give them everything on a sliver platter without ever asking for anything in return.

  2. This Saturday Satire would have been perfect this weekend’s Miss Universe contest.
    — — —
    The final challenge is here.

    Miss USA was first asked why she should be the next Miss Universe. She said she wants to “empower women all over the world” and “inspire people to believe in themselves”.

    Miss Colombia said she should be the third Miss Universe because she has” all the attributes that a Latin woman has, a woman that is full of feeling, and a Miss Universe should have for all of her events”.

    Miss Philippines was asked what she thinks it takes to be Miss Universe. She said she would “raise awareness to causes like the spread of HIV”, and she wants to show the world she is “confidently beautiful with a heart”.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/all-the-frocks-and-shocks-from-the-miss-universe-2015-final/news-story/53d1e6109843918bcd9229b8b6b19171
    — — —
    I’m looking at the winners and runner ups over the past 50 years…just noticing a trend or demographic shift…the western women are not making the cut…and a few that are making it are the children of immigrants.

  3. Honestly, I have been searching to do what FormerCanadian has done. Issue I am finding is getting a Visa. But moving is my plan, just not finding the right information to do so.

    Like Scott, I have seen both types here in the US from EE. Those that come for us to come here are divorces in a matter of a 2 to 3 years. Going to happen, because coming to the West was the main goal.

    Most western men need to be smart, stop thinking with their willy and find a good woman. It was hard for me, took time, but in the end I found a good family oriented woman. She is smart, works very hard and never complains.

    An EE that complains and is focused on moving to the west should be a huge red flag for any man to stay away. She has made up her mind to move no matter the cost.

    • Hi Bryan! May I kindly ask you what issues/problems are you having with getting a visa? What country are you targeting and what is your ultimate goal so to say?
      Feel free to be very detailed with your reply and I’m positive that I can help since I have a lot of insider information about the visa process as well as obtaining other permits.

      • Ukraine has been the focus of my questions. I spoke with the US Embassy in Kiev… worthless information there. I was told to speak with the Ukraine Embassy in the US. Did this, but think there was a lack of understanding on the Ukraine Embassy side.

        I asked questions about a work permit, a vehicle permit. Just would be much easier to move there, than to fly back and forth every 3 months. Back in the summer, I started taking Russian Language classes to help.

        Just not getting pointed in the right location and getting frustrated.

        • Let’s do it then since I’m still here for another 3-4 months at least;)
          Tell me why do you want to move to Ukraine and not to Russia for example? Is your wife Ukrainian?
          US embassy in Kiev ain’t gonna tell you nothing and so will Ukrainian embassy in New York or wherever it is located.
          Embassy folks don’t know nothing, man.
          People at the embassy, almost any embassy, will never give you enough or proper info on how to make a permanent move to the country they represent.
          ANYBODY can own a localy plated vehicle in Ukraine, you do not need any special permission as long as you are in the country legally.
          Say you could come here as a visitor, open up a “business”, literally any kind of business and then get a residence permit based on the fact that you are a Ukrainian business owner. It’s that simple! Your business can be just on paper, but it’ll give you enough reason and back up to get a residence permit.

          Could you please elaborate a bit on your plans and interests, if possible?

  4. I’ll be honest from my perspective; there is no definite right or wrong in. It is all in the will power and character ( not personality ) of the woman you choose, whether she is from the west or the east.

    I will admit to finding many many more women of low will power and character then of those I have spoken to from other countries ( few from the east ).

    • Some guy: “I’ll be honest from my perspective: there is no difference between the Chinese food served in China and the Chinese food served in America.”
      Me: How many times have you visited China?
      Some guy: “Oh, I’ve never been to China.”

      And so, how many times have you been to Eastern Europe? How many Ukrainian/Russian have you dated?

      I’ll bet that the answer is close to zero.

      • The difference is like Chinese food in China vs the US. If you have never been there, had a taste, you will never know the difference. And you will be oblivious to what you are truly missing.

        • Even more so, you’ll have the guy, who has never tasted the difference, try to tell you – someone who has tasted both – that there is no difference.

        • So, the first comment in 2016 is a knucklehead comment. This is going to be a fun year.

          Guys, later (soon), I am going to send a story that I experienced on Christmas, while we were enjoying dinner with some Ukrainian and FSU folks, and some single ladies. Interesting perspectives and more confirmations.

          • ” So, the first comment in 2016 is a knucklehead comment. This is going to be a fun year ”

            LOL ……. hahhh aa

          • I find it better to be a knuckle head in situations where you have an angry troll dishing out how everyone is wrong and they are right basically. Keeps things from getting tainted with anger, arrogance and ignorance.

  5. Seems I can relate to Scott’s position, although we have never met. I am 41, never married. I am an Iowa farmer, and will not have a TV in my house. Dating, courting or seeking a bride in this country is an exercise in disappointment. With a possible exception of the Anabaptist or Mennonite Christian or a home schooled Christian girl.
    I have tried courting a beautiful girl in Colombia and one in Ecuador. In Colombia I nearly married one of the best women in Cartagena. A beautiful model with very good qualities as a woman. I still sensed about 10% feminism in “Miss Cartagena” (my nickname for her), so I pulled away from initial intentions for marriage after a month or more courting her in Cartagena.
    “Miss Ecuador” (nickname only, although she possessed a crown from a local beauty contest) was certainly pretty, but fully selfish, outright rebellious and dishonest, and went to other men even while I was in Ecuador with her, and had no respect for the effort I put forth to come see her.
    In agreement with Scott’s point, it really depends on the individual girl and how she was raised and if she is willing to be honest and give up selfishness to be a wife.
    “Miss Cartagena” was nearly qualified to be a wife, and offered far more harmony than most you will ever find in present day USA. But Colombia is no miracle place to find a bride. Lots of dishonesty and whoredoms in Colombia also. You have to examine the individual and be honest with yourself about what you are getting if you marry this girl.

    • Can I tell you something?;)

      Do NOT look for a “Miss Whatever” kind of a female!
      Look for a normal, decent lady with normal values and visions of life.
      Any “miss” will always be looking around for “someone better, with more money and status in the society”!
      As well as she’ll always feature some “feminism” qualities.

      Better yet, come summer, pack your bags and spend a couple of months in Russia or Ukraine!! Your life will never be the same again after that trip!

      • FC is completely correct here. Stop looking for the Miss. In Ukraine the girls/lady’s in the 20’s and some early 30’s have seen what is in the west or just have lost their traditional values.

        You can see and hear this by just speaking with these women. Seem west TV is getting to the Ukraine young people and changing their attitudes.

        Pack your bags and just go. I leave in a few weeks to make this change in my life. In the US and Canada our women are lost and no changing for better anytime soon and maybe never.

        Image a woman who cares honestly for you. I speak to mine everyday and I cannot help, but laugh and smile. From her, “have you eaten today? Make sure you eat and get a good rest.”

        You will find a Slavic woman who honestly cares about you. Is happy just walking in the park or down the street. She will take care of herself for you, so you are proud of her. What woman in the US was do this?? Not one, she will always want, want and demand or threaten you.

        Go man and do not look back.

  6. Thanks, Bryan! Good to know that some people immediately understand what I mean;)
    You are absolutely correct: almost any Ukrainian female aged 20 to I’d say 33, may be even 35 years, is just like yet another North American woman nowadays, with the same values, visions of life and relationships, approach to sex and intimacy and other shit.
    Western influence and ideology is here with the hurricane force and very few have power to withstand its pressure.
    North American women are a lost cause. Too bad it looks like Ukraine is heading in exactly the same direction.
    I’m now becoming more and more careful with advising people to go to Ukraine. There are several reasons for that and I’ll try to find an hour to elaborate on this issue.
    I don’t know how things are in Russia these days, but Ukrainian females are becoming westernized at a supersonic speed. Westernized, indoctrinated and dare I say, stupid.
    Things ain’t that rosy here any longer in all aspects, and I’m afraid the window of opportunity is closing fast.

    • Seems like Russia is becoming the best option in that part of the world; whether you love or hate Putin, he seems like the only leader in that region that is taking a stand and fighting to keep the youth from being corrupted.

    • I’d advise against going to Odessa or Kiev, but there are a lot of small towns that aren’t infected yet. Unless one lives in UA, it is going to be hard to meet a lot of Women outside of an agency.

      • I agree. It’s better to avoid Odessa and Kiev.
        I say it’s still very possible to meet women outside of an agency, but one has to look good, be sporty, be able to carry on a meaningful conversion, treat women with respect and understanding.
        Agencies often want you to meet their selection of girls whereas one is free to pick and choose on the street, in a bar, diner or even a night club (not the best option though).

      • HAHA!!! I met someone last year, going there to be with her. She is originally from Luhansk, but she and her sister moved to Kyiv after the war started. Their parents are still in Luhansk dealing with the situation there. She has a job working for a US Company there in Kyiv. She does not like it there and honestly, it is a beautiful city, but I am not sure I could handled living in Ukraine’s New York city.

        Do not get me started on the Dating site. Last November I got an idea about writing a book about Internet dating. I had just completed a book, waiting on it to come back from the editor now. After reading many things about men looking of dating site for a woman, I figured what the hell. I started digging into this heavily.

        I met people in the local Ukrainian group I joined, who met either by chance, like me or through dating sites. Listening to their stories and knowing mine, just gave me this idea. But when I started digging into these dating sites, seeing what a huge industry this is and 98% of them being nothing but a scam, made me dig more and more. I had to stop, because the negative was out weighing the positive. Just a scary business and the stories from men. One man talked about going there, being stood up and when he pressed the issue, 2 men showed up at his hotel and told him it was time to leave Ukraine. What the hell. The stories go on and on about the bad side of this industry. It is a huge income for the local agencies and the sites hosting them. Do not forget the girls who create a chat host or an admin console to make money for themselves.

        What a nightmare. But like what FC stated. The smart people are leaving Ukraine, which leaves just the corrupt and low life’s there to run the place into the ground.

        Doing this book honestly made me nervous, but Poland is looking better. A US company is opening an office in a city there and asked me, if I were interested. Problem is they are not sponsoring right now and getting a work/resident permit is not easy right now. Still looking into this now.

  7. Good points, Bryan!!

    Kiev is hard to live in. Yes, salaries may be a tad higher but the general ambience of the city is very depressing. Never like it…

    Dating.. internet dating…. I’ve never seriously considered it. It’s just a place to have fun for me, to look for some odd profiles of North American Princesses and Ice Queens;)
    I’ve never paid a penny to any internet dating site. If a site wants YOUR money than it’s a scam right away!
    I know a couple of FREE Russian internet dating sites and if Scott permits me, I’ll gladly post them up here. And FREE means FREE in my case, no hidden fees or charges!
    Yes, there is an exodus of people from Ukraine these days. Our family is also packing our bags nowadays.
    I’d say Poland is a very good option. I’m not very familiar with immigration laws and regulation there but having a job offer would help tremendously to start things off. Don’t think it’ll be overly hard for an American citizen to get a Residence Permit in Poland.
    Ukraine is getting too poor, corrupted, criminal and plain stupid to plan ANY family future here…

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