No game whatsoever

Posted on December 25, 2011 by Scott Anderson

First and foremost, the purpose of this post is to educate. I intend to share some of the pitfalls that western men encounter when they come to the CIS (former USSR countries), especially dealing with marriage brokers and agencies.

All that said, have a look at some of these photos. Do they look a little ridiculous to you? That’s because they are ridiculous. I’ve talked to hundreds of western men and they all tell me about how this or that woman loves them or wants to meet them – but they’ve never even talked to the woman, they’ve relied on a marriage agency for communication. If you are going to communicate to a woman using an agency you have to KNOW that the agency is honest.

I have had dealings with Anastasia, Brides of Ukraine and IDC and I can say that they are all bogus!

If you look at these photos and you don’t believe that these guys have a chance in hell of marrying one of these women you have to wonder how did they come to have dates with these women. The reason is that these agencies have LIED to these men telling them that these women are interested in a relationship. I’ve sat through lunch or dinner and watched and listened to hundreds of these dates and they are all pretty much the same. The girls ask the same questions, say flattering things to the men and the men REALLY believe that they have a shot at these beauties.

It is all really quite sad.

In the photo above, in Odessa’s walking district, this guy has a date with the woman in pink. The interpreter in red/white polka dots is the interpreter. I’ve seen this woman on ‘dates” with other men using different interpreters and I’ve seen these interpreter on other dates with different women. The interpreter charges US $10 to $15 per hour and pays the woman $5 per hour to “milk the date out” as long as she can.

And so, these men take these women out for expensive dates, buy them gifts and pay interpreters for date after date that never goes anywhere.

If you are thinking of coming to the CIS to meet a woman and you are using an agency, think again.

In the photo above, this western man is out on a date with a young woman and her interpreter. The entire park – I mean EVERYBODY – stopped, and watched as they walked by. I saw everything from incredulous looks to outright laughter. The Ukrainians, Russians, Turks & even other Westerners couldn’t believe that this guy thought he was on a real date. It was so obvious that it was a scam. As I took the photo above I saw a husband, wife and daughter openly laughing at the “date” as they passed (below).

A photo is worth a thousand words. I saw this “couple” at the Irish bar at the corner of Ekaterinburg & Deribasivskaya Streets in Odessa’s walking district. This Indian man bought this woman dinner and cocktails and if you look at her body language and the look on her face, you can see how interested she is in him. I was staring at them for so long that I caught her notice and she began giving me signs that she was interested in talking to me! This poor chump dumped a load of money on a woman who has no interest in him.

Don’t EVER write letters to women using marriage agencies. You aren’t talking to the woman, some secretary is answering your letters. Don’t use an agency interpreter – if they require it for the first date, close the date out quickly and make an appointment to meet with your own interpreter. Any sign of resistance to this proposition is evidence of fraud.

Be forewarned. I know many will read this and go and do it anyways. You’ll have no one to blame but yourself.

And for heaven’s sake, if you do go to Ukraine or another CIS country, dress up a bit. The men above scream “poverty” with the clothes that they are wearing. No Eastern Woman will take you seriously when you’re wearing a “Joe’s Carwash” t-shirt. Geez..

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How the scam works

Posted on August 6, 2011 by Scott Anderson

Wow! I only signed up for Anastasia International dating last night and by 8am this morning I already have a dozen women who want to contact me. Hmmm, that is interesting indeed as I haven’t even posted a photo or anything about myself. I might be dying of terminal cancer, have no arms and legs, be unemployed and still these hot women want to go out with me! I must be one lucky fellow.

Or maybe its a scam?

As I watch each day, so many 65-year-old, overweight American, Aussie and British men go out on dates with these spectacular looking Ukrainian women – women who are only 22 or 23 years old, I can’t help but roll my eyes and think how clueless these guys are. Well, I can’t scoff, I was about as clueless two weeks ago.

Just last night my buddy from London and my Ukrainian friend watched as two beautiful young 20-somethings dined and drank at the expense of two 45-something fat Turkish guys who really thought that they were getting somewhere. We watched as the girls rolled their eyes to each other when the men were looking away, as if to say, “Hold on a little longer sister, this date won’t last too much longer.” Clearly these girls were in this date for free sushi, vodka shots and the chance to go shopping tomorrow to fleece these guys out of some hard-earned cash. One guy was wearing an 18k gold Rolex so I figured they had some money.

As I talk to so many men from Western countries, the story repeats itself. They “date” this young attractive girl, go to expensive restaurants, drag along an expensive interpreter and after so many dates – just when the guy is becoming wary of spending so much money and suggests losing the interpret, the girl vanishes or breaks contact.

It all seemed a bit too coincidental until my Ukrainian friend provided me with a few links and then it all began to make sense. Taken from the Russian version of Facebook called “Konekt,” these ads are for IDC and other “local” agencies – the same type of agencies that supply Anastasia International women for dating. Most of these agencies “share” women profile information.

I met a guy from Iowa last week who spent a few thousand dollars dating Anastasia women and when he found that some where indeed only in it to share commissions with the interpreter he complained. Anastasia refused his complaint and would not refund his money for those dates. Buyer beware.

Any agency that uses women’s profiles from other agencies that use these kinds of tactics are just as guilty as the agencies that create the profiles. In the case of Anastasia International – each of the men here that I’ve talked to report the same thing: as soon as they cut off the interpreter and try to use their own, none of the Anastasia girls call them back. They say that 90-95% of the Anastasia women are bogus and are only dating for pay.

These adds encourage women to date as a part or full-time job – even if they have no intention of dating a foreigner or moving to a Western country. I shouldn’t even describe the ad, I should let it speak for itself:

Hello Are you [interested in the] marriage agency IDC. Would you like to become a client of our and get a free, professional photo session with one of the best photographers in Ukraine? You would be able to meet new and interesting dating and relationships, as well as the opportunity to earn some money (not sex)!

If desired, we provide you with professional photo shoot and you register on dating sites. On your behalf is correspondence [you do not have to write to the men, we will do it for you]. Just for you will come men [who want to write to you or meet you]. In this case, you can meet them, and as you can and refuse to meet. It all depends on you and your desires. The meeting is usually a dinner or lunch at the restaurant (at the request of the girls). At the meetings, usually a translator. But, you can cancel the service of an interpreter (for free), in which case you do go to a meeting with a man.

In conclusion, the male customer is obliged to give a girl in a taxi, our clients give the girls a taxi at least 200 gr (note: about $25 US, a cab ride across the whole of the city is about 50 gr).Not according to how close or far away lived a girl. You get $ 5 for every hour spent in communion with a man and a translator.

For example, if you spent 3 hours, then you will receive $ 15 and 200 UAH. by taxi. You’ll also receive gifts from men, who came to you at the meeting. Men, which is correspondence on your behalf on the sites, send you gifts. In this case, you can pick them up in the form of money or gifts to themselves. The guarantee that you will get this or that gift – you and your photos brought a gift. This site is a prerequisite for the delivery of a gift for a girl. [You don't have to do anything to] receive all the gifts that will be coming to you from the men, such as flowers, perfume, and other [valuable items].

Many of the girls (who are not interested in a serious relationship), use such agencies as a way of earning and receiving gifts.

Requirements for the following girls: good looks, age 18 to 35 years.

http://vkontakte.ru/club11875888

I’ve used the dating agency Brides of Ukraine – this agency, run by a slippery American fellow named Dion is just a “broker.” He doesn’t actually ever interact with any of the women on the profiles he publishes. He posts the profiles of other agencies and gets a “cut” of the introduction fee and the fees that are charged to interpret letters.

Now, I’m not complaining about this. I’m an adult and I spent my money freely. Thank goodness I only paid $200 for introduction fees ($50 each for 4 dates). I’ve talked to some guys that have dropped $6,000-8,000). My point in posting this is to warn the next crowd of guys who may come over and get cheated like so many other men here.

Lets have a see at my track record with Dion and his agency:

Corresponded with 1 girl for a year and 3 weeks before I arrive she emails saying that she’s taking her name of the site but that she wants to still meet me. When I arrive in Odessa she can’t be found. She never existed, I was emailing a secretary at one of the agencies.

Another girl that I corresponded with for 9 months – I received an email from her in month 9 saying “Hi, I’d like to get to know you.” Clearly that email was sent by someone other than her – I was never writing to her in the first place.

I asked for dates with 10 women who emailed me the month before my arrival. 6 of the 10 women who were so eager to “write to me” vanished upon my arrival.

Of the 4 that I did meet with, 3 cut off all contact when I wanted to use my interpreter. The 4th girl was legitimate so long as I took her to high-end restaurants and kept ordering champagne. When I insisted on pizza and beer, our relationship closed quickly.

As I have some prepaid credits, I decided to email this girl:

http://www.bridesofukraine.com/brides/russian-brides-view-lady-profile-4142.htm

My message was curt and to the point: “I am looking for a serious woman, no games. If you are interested in meeting me, please reply.”

This is the message that I received (mind you, my name is not Jeff and I’m not Asian):

Hello Jeff

How are you?

Ok, do not worry I am going to answer your questions.

Yes, you are an interesting person and I think I will like you phsically when we meet, I can’t say anythig definite now.

I would like to see myself in 5 years as a wife and a mother of my first child.

Dear, there is only my parents and me in the family and I live separately, they do not mind if I date an Asian guy.

I am very affectionate person and I will treat my man the same way as he does, I am a giving person I never cheat and I believe in true love.
You will see me someday and notice that I am very gentle.

Svetlana

Are you starting to get the picture? These girls aren’t writing these letters. Corresponding with a foreign woman through and agency isn’t corresponding at all – for all you know you’re talking to big fat Boris as he snacks on pretzels and beer writing love notes do desperate Western Men.

I thought I’d have some fun with this and I immediately emailed Dion back. I’ve caught this slippery f*ck in a few lies already. If you look up the word con-man in the dictionary, you’ll find him. I asked for a date with Svetlana. Heck, she lives in Odessa, I’m here and she just wrote me, certainly she can meet this weekend? He said he would get back to me and 5 days later I’ve received no response.

If a “rich” woman flew to the US and was trying to meet me for dinner, I’d surely make time!

Interestingly, when I arrived 2 1/2 weeks ago, he was calling me 3 times a day. After I poked some holes in his BS and complained about scammers, he doesn’t call me any more. I guess he would rather spend his time talking to 65-year-old suckers with deep pockets and bank accounts.

As I’ve said in previous posts: writing to girls you haven’t met is a waste of money. Taking girls out for dinner and drinks is a waste of money. Meet for no more than an hour, get their phone number and arrange 2nd date with your own interpreter. If she shows, she’s honest. If she doesn’t she’s dating for $.

Your call, good luck.

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The Ukrainian Strip Club

Posted on July 31, 2011 by Scott Anderson

I bid fair warning to any man who considers dating an Eastern European Woman by means of daring agencies. The process is so rife with corruption and full of bastards who will take every dollar, euro and grievna that they can get their hands on. This is my 4th time to Ukraine and I thought that I had a good idea of how the business works but this trip has been an eye opener.

Last night I had drinks with a Ukrainian friend who used to run an agency. It was one of the few honest agencies in town and now that it is closed there seems to be nowhere for the regular guy to turn. My friend gave me some priceless information over a glass of whisky and I will share it with you – for free. But first, let me tell you about last night’s date.

This is Polina. And she was every bit as beautiful in person as in this photo. According to her profile she speaks “intermediate” English and you can imagine my surprise when she showed up with an interpreter; she needed “hello, how are you?” translated. I’m sure you get the idea.

Translator = US $15 per hour

We had a 4pm Saturday date. I just want to sit down to talk to see if this 23 year old is as serious as her profile says she is.

She isn’t. She has no aspirations for a Western boyfriend or husband outside of where he can take her on Saturday night and how much he can spend on her.

The interpreter informs me that Polina wants to go this chic restaurant because “she has never tried champagne at ‘this restaurant.’” That was the first warning sign, more followed. As I asked questions about her life and life goals and desires, she kept probing about where we were going next: would it be the Arcadia club district, out to the casino or some new nightclub. It then occurred to me that she AND the interpreter were dressed in cocktail dresses and both had their hair done. They came together in the same cab and left together in the same cab. When I ended the date the interpreter was as disappointed as my date was. In hindsight it seems obvious that they had a grand night planned and I was the deep wallet to pay for it all.

When the waitress came I nixed the champagne but this didn’t stop them both from ordering a glass of wine, glass of water and a terramisu each. This was all done in Russian and I didn’t know half of it until the food arrived.

After a few dates like this my patience has worn thin and I’ve ended them. So many have dragged on for 3 hours with hundred dollar restaurant bills. Including the interpreter that comes out to $150 – a lot of money when you can eat a nice “normal” meal for $15.

I wrote to one girl for a year and when I arrived she disappeared. Many of the girls that I wrote to – once I met them in person – couldn’t tell what they had said or even know who wrote first. Many thought I had made first contact and they were flattered – interesting because I was under the same assumption.

I received a “I’d like to get to know you” email from a woman who I had been corresponding with for 9 months! One woman emailed me and 6 months later sent the same exact email – word for word.

So then who was I writing to? Clearly not these women. Some secretary or interpreter at the agency is writing the letters. My agency is merely a broker – a go-between who links to the women’s profiles of other agencies. I’ve found this same sort of unscrupulous behavior at each of the 5 or 6 referring agencies.

Now mind you, I’m being VERY cautious and skeptical and I’m still fallng into pitfalls. Many (most) of the western men here are clueless losers who have no game whatsoever. They happily go on date after date thinking they are relationship building when in fact they have as much chance as they would getting laid in a strip club.

Back to my Ukrainian buddy. Last night he told me that it is common practice for agencies and interpreters to encourage girls to go out with men that they don’t like in order to split the interpreters commission. The agency gets the referral fee and of course looks the other way. The girls get to eat at fancy restaurants, drink champagne, go to the latest nightclubs and then split the terps commission – a lot when you consider that the average wage is about $250 a month. This explains why no one wants to use my interpreter.

Can you find love here? Yes; my Heather Graham lookalike (perhaps the prettiest girl I’ve ever dated) wanted a long term commitment from me before I broke contact with her. But this process has been with cost. If you make the trip out here you can avoid some pitfalls by following a few rules:

1. Don’t EVER write letters to Eastern European Women. Isn’t it strange that you can’t have their contact information? It’s because you aren’t talking to them, you are talking to some manager, secretary or interpreter who is probably a man! The agencies will give you some IMBRA nonsense – please, since when do Ukrainians care about US law?

2. Better yet, about a month before you come out, post your profile and on arrival set dates with women who liked your profile. In my case, 1/2 of the women who initially mailed me didn’t even exist. 3 of 4 that did were only wanting to date to split the commission – they had no intentions of finding a western man – most of these women don’t want to even leave Ukraine. writing letters is a joke and a waste of time. I know that many of you will ignore this advice and later you will remember and wish you had listened.

3. ONLY meet English speaking women. Forget your delusions, it isn’t going to work if you can’t talk. Meeting English speaking women cuts the interpreter out of the equation – this is half the battle from the onset.

4. Refuse demands or requests for extravagant meals, fluffy drinks, ritzy cafes and clubs and nights on the town. If she is sincere about finding a husband these things won’t interest her. I had one date (two years ago and introduced through the honest agency mentioned above) and the girl was reluctant to order anything in the restaurant we were seated in. I told her to order and she said, “But I don’t want to take advantage.”. That is the type of girl that you are looking for. Any woman who orders an $8 Mojito without even asking your permission is a player.

5. If you insist on a non-English speaker, limit the first date to an hour and get her contact info. Meet later with your own interpreter or better yet, your iPhone. Kiev-Star wifi access is 144 grievna per month. That’s about US $15 for 30 days and a gig of bandwidth. If you use that much you need to stay off of YouTube! Using Google translate, you can have adequate conversation. And, it will encourage her to learn English when she has to patient to type. Interpreters make for laziness. You pay, you invest; what does the Ukrainian girl contribute? Her letters are free, date is free, meal is free – the least she can do is invest the time to type. If she is seriously interested in you she will. If not, she’s a player.

6. Ignore everything the girl says and watch what she does. If she’s interested, she will be attentive and there will be body language and chemistry to match. Any level of aloofness and you are being played. If you’re at the table and you don’t know who the sucker is, it’s you. Is the girl late? Is she juggling plans with other friends? If a rich woman flew to my country to see me and I was interested in her, all my friends and social life would be on hold for a week.

I’ll be posting more on this subject over time. Don’t let your heart or libido override your common sense. Step outside the box and ask if what you are doing makes sense. The marriage industry exists only to make $. Be suspect of anything and everything that costs you your hard earned money.

7. Forget about these organized tours and “socials” wherein you are taken from social to social. These girls have NO interest in dating Western men much less coming to your country. Most of them are there for the free food, drinks, for you to take them out afterwards and for a chance to win a raffle that is held at each “social.” I met an American man this morning, he’s from Iowa. He was at the same social that I went to two weeks ago. He told me that from event to event the girls were either “professional daters” or were only in it for the raffle prize. He said that he spent an average of $500 per day on meals and interpreters and didn’t meet a single quality marriage minded woman.

Buyer beware – scam artists have taken over the industry and if you’re mailing women or buying dinners – well, you’re just a sucker!

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